Herb has gotten into a few verbal spars with him, troll that he is, and now I think Herb has been banned! A comment I posted a minute ago is gone, and we'll see if my follow-up disappears too.
On that site, that is. They will be preserved here for eternity.
Roger's post about the debates, which includes this line:
My question is why he thought Kissinger would let such a statement pass? Is Obama clueless or just a sleazy liar?(Check the post for context.)
Herb:That prompted Roger to respond:
Weak! Kissinger’s actual words that Obama referenced:
“One should be prepared to negotiate, and I think we should be prepared to negotiate about Iran,” Kissinger, who brokered the end of the 1973 Yom Kippur war and peace talks with the North Vietnamese, said in an interview with Bloomberg Television. Asked whether he meant the U.S. should hold direct talks, Kissinger, 84, responded: “Yes, I think we should.”
Obama’s words from last night:
“Senator McCain mentioned Henry Kissinger, who is one of his advisers, who along with five recent secretaries of state just said we should meet with Iran _ guess what? _ without preconditions.”
And now Kissinger says: “I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level.”
Way to move the goal posts, bud! No one said anything about “talks with Iran AT THE PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL.” That “presidential level” nonsense is a straw man.
Are you clueless, too, Roger, or just a sleazy liar?
Roger L Simon:(I think I was supposed to be impressed by the name dropping or something.)
Herb,you can call me anything you want (except late for lunch, as they say) but the topic at hand when Obama let fly with the Kissinger reference was his (Obama’s) statements about how he would behave with Ahmadinejad when President. So you can interpret that any way you want. Obviously, Kissinger was alarmed. He didn’t seem to waste much time with his clarification. But go ahead and call me sleazy. I’ve heard a lot worse in my decades as a writer. Pauline Kael once called me a “well known author of pop drivel” - and that was in the New Yorker. (And she put her name to the insult. You’re just some drive-by coward posting anonymous insults on a blog. Nice guy, you are.)
Anonymous insults? Pseudonymous more like it. I love the drive-by coward thing, though. It's not the first time he's called me that, and clearly he thinks it hurts. Sorry, Rog, it don't.
Drive-by coward? I'm not even driving. I mean, if you're going to get me with something, get me with something good.
At any rate, I responded to him with this, which only you and I will ever see, thanks to Roger's comment thread "bravery."
Roger, Please read the transcript of the debates again for signals on how Obama would handle Ahmadinejad. A few clues...What do you call a coward calling someone else a coward?
"Ahmadinejad is not the most powerful person in Iran. So he may not be the right person to talk to."
"Now, understand what this means "without preconditions." It doesn't mean that you invite them over for tea one day."
"Of course we've got to do preparations, starting with low-level diplomatic talks, and it may not work, because Iran is a rogue regime."
Kissinger, used as a blunt force object by Obama, HAD to come out for McCain on this one. That's his guy. Of course he didn't waste any time with his "presidential level" press release.
But he wasn't really responding to Obama... He was responding to some misinterpreted straw man argument about a high-level presidential photo op or something.
If you think Obama is lying about how he would handle Iran and Ahmadinejad, that's fair. All politicians have plenty of reasons to be mistrusted, and let's face it, the guy IS trying to get elected.
But you can't just distort his remarks without expecting to be called on it. It is, you know, kind of sleazy, not to mention a wee bit dishonest.
Your favorite anonymous drive-by coward,
James Pearce, aka Herb
Roger L. Simon.